Tyngdlyftning

[z_bumbi]

Ursprungligen postat av tntballe

Självklart, men träningsmetoderna är väldigt lika. Och det var ju det frågan handlade om från början.
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Om man ska jämföra metoderna så skulle jag säga att bulgarerna under Abadjiev dopade betydligt mer.

[Leifallan]

http://calstrengthacademy.com/olympi...garian-system/

Mycket intressant artikel gällande rysk och bulgarisk OL:

My new friend Ruslev Khomenko, a Russian coach of Junior athletes, and I talked a fair amount about the Bulgarian system of training. When I first brought this up, I expected him to dismiss it as inferior to how he trained athletes. He did not do this, in fact he said it was a GREAT system, maybe the best. The qualification was this, it is the best, IF IT WORKS FOR YOU!!! In his opinion, it only works for some people… and if you dont belong to this select group, you can still be a great lifter, you just have to try something else. His best results were 135/160 at 62kg bodyweight, not good in his estimation, and the Bulgrian system hadnt worked for him. According to him, some people get a real deterioration in technique when they train to max all the time, others, for whatever reason, get more and more effecient. Some people thrive on frequent squatting, some simply dont.

This strikes me as a common sense attitude. Do what works. The Russians believe their “system” works for a wider variety of people, and doesnt produce as many injuries. But they, or at least Ruslev, agrees that the Bulgarian system is the “ideal” for a person with no weak points.

All of this brings up another interesting observation. There doesnt seem to be that much discussion among coaches from other countries about whos system is better or worse, who is right or wrong. Based off of a weeks worth of conversation with coaches from multiple European and Asian countries, it seems they agree on a few things. One is that effecient technique needs to be taught. Another is that a lifestyle has to be provided to the athlete and followed by the athlete that allows them to handle a high training load. Another is that the athlete has to continue to follow the program, increase the workload and increase the weights. Concerning training programs, I get the feeling that a lot of Europeans feel about the same way about this as Americans feel about the brand of shoes that a lifter wears. Yes, everyone has a preference, but does anyone really think that the brand of shoes that one wears will determine whether he or she will become a champion or not?

I got the feeling over and over while talking to coaches who have a history of producing multiple Junior World champions, World Champions, and even Olympic medalists that we here in America are worried about the wrong things. I got the feeling that we might better worry about sleep habits, eating habits, and various recovery methods than how often we go to maximum. Of course, all this only after we worry about picking the right people to coach in the first place. But I prefer to concentrate on what I can control.

This is not to say that how you train doesnt matter. It shouldnt be hard for anyone to think of several training programs that would not work at all with little problem. But the parameters that a successful program must exist within are well established, and it is also well established that many different programs exist within these parameters.

What are these parameters? Based on conversations with 8 of the male medalists and 3 of the female medalists at the 2010 Junior Worlds, as well as conversations with the Japanese, Korean, Russian, and Turkish coaches, here is how the best are currently training. The minimum training sessions per week that I encountered was 5, maximum 12. Minimum hours spent training per week was about 8, maximum about 18. I did not talk to the Chinese, who I dont doubt top this number. Everyone snatches. Everyone clean and jerks. Everyone squats and front squats. Everyone does power snatches and power cleans. Most do pulls. Many do some sort of pressing or push pressing. This group of exercises makes up most of the work done. Many have some sort of exercise which they do which isnt as widespread, some do jumping exercises, some bench press. A few do some sort of good morning exercise or stiff legged deadlift variation. Some do some variation of back raise, back extension, or Glute Ham raise. In no instance which I encountered did these “extra” exercises make up any sigificant part of the training load. No one does only singles. No one does sets of 10. Most use a variety of reps between 1 and 5. Most do snatches and/or clean and jerks, or some close variation, every workout or almost every workout with significant weights. The most interesting thing I encountered was a Russian coach from Chechnya who advocated lots of Kettlebell work for beginning lifters, including the throwing of the KB behind ones head. He only advocated it as a warmup for lifters who are not beginners.

If the preceeding has closed one mystery, it has certainly opened another. If the sets and reps, and time per week we go to maximum arent what is holding us back, then what is? If we dont do enough pulls, or do too many… if this is not the problem, then what is? Well, I do not know if I know the answer or not. But if the answer to that question is the same answer as to the question “what are the differences that I saw between us and the medalists?” then I have a few observations.

And that will be another post…

glenn

[tntballe]

Ursprungligen postat av z_bumbi

Om man ska jämföra metoderna så skulle jag säga att bulgarerna under Abadjiev dopade betydligt mer.

Är det något du vet eller tror?

[minishcap]

Den enda stornationen inom lyftning som inte åkt på något dopningfall mig veterligen är Sydkorea?

För världslyftarna oavsett nation handlar det inte om att dopa eller inte dopa, det handlar om att inte åka fast.

[groda]

För den som är intresserad klistrar jag in en text om det bulgariska programmet och ev problem med att applicera det på amerikanska lyftare. Texten är om jag inte minns fel är skriven av Glenn Pendlay på något forum:

The thing is, it doesn't seem to work in all cases or in all people. Abajiev was the architect of the program, and the coach of the Bulgarian team when they were dominating. He did coach here in the US for a while, and coached some US athletes. There was no magical huge increase in strength, in fact none of the guys he coached made any real improvements while he was coaching them.

The funny thing is that when Abajiev was here he told Max Aita directly that his program DID NOT WORK without drugs, and that he didn't understand why we were trying to implement it with drug free athletes.

And, to be honest, I dont think that the program AS DONE IN BULGARIA works without drugs. I had the opportunity to coach a Bulgarian lifter for a brief time, this guy had trained under Abajiev in Bulgaria and had done fairly well, medaling at the Europeans one year. I talked to him a lot about training under Abajiev, what it was like and what he had done in training. He said that there was very little "coaching" from Abajiev, and little or no planning. And only one solution to any problem. Lifter is tired? lifts going down? not recovering? more Dianabol. Lifter not making progress? More squat sessions and more Dianabol. He said that was pretty much the basis of the program, lift hard and take drugs, lift harder and take more drugs, lift even harder and take even more drugs.

I tend to think of this as a "brute force" approach, and no one can deny that it worked, or works. But without the drugs, it just cant be done in exactly the same way. When a lifter is breaking down I cannot simply up the amount of dianabol he is taking! Ivan Abajiev himself couldnt make the program work with drug free American athletes.

I am a fan of the Bulgarian approach. There are a lot of things about it that I like. It has heavily, heavily influenced my coaching. Years ago I aspired to program as close to what was done in Bulgaria as I possibly could. But as I have learned more and more about the Bulgarian program "straight from the horses mouth" so to speak, listening to Abajiev himself or Bulgarian lifters who were coached by him, I have learned that when you are coaching lifters on the NAN program, you have to find answers other than the ones the Bulgarians used. And when your answers are something other than squat more and take more drugs, its not really the Bulgarian program anymore.



It occured to me that without background information, my posts, which praise the ideas behind the bulgarian system while at the same time throw a little cold water on the concept that it is workable in the US might not be well understood. Here is something that I think will illustrate just how different it is to be in the sytstem in Bulgaria vs the USA.

The Bulgarians have a slang term, "Kuschka". I guess thats how you spell it in english, thats roughly how it sounds when they say it. It basically refers to the shenanigans that the lifters do to get away with not doing the full program. Abajiev could not, simply could not, show sympathy for a lifter who was hurting. If a lifter said his wrist hurt so he could not snatch, and Abajiev said ok dont do your snatches, then 5 more lifters would fake a wrist injury to get out of snatches. Yet he knew that sometimes a lifter did hurt so bad that they couldnt do the full program. So the following system evolved. He gave them a program so hard, so impossibly hard, that he knew they could not do it, or could not do it all the time. He was merciless in the face of pain and suffering, you could not complain and get out of the work. And the lifters learned how to do everything and anything to lie cheat and steal to get out of doing the full program. Even to the point of the following: I have seen a Bulgarian lifter purposefully mis-load the bar, with an extra 20kg plate on one side, take an offset grip to make the load somewhat even, and clean and jerk the bar. This is because the side of the bar that had the extra plate on it was closest to the coach, and he was tricking the coach into thinking that the bar had 20kg more on it than it really did, and getting out of work! Evidently the lengths they would go to in order to get out of work were almost beyond imagination. It even extended to the drugs, evidently he knew he was not giving them enough, but also knew that they would go out and get more on their own no matter what, so purposefully gave them too little. Abajiev said that he gave Naim Suleymonaglu 15 Dianabol pills a day, but that he knew he was taking another 15 per day when the workload got really really heavy that he got from his own sources!!! Abajiev knew they were doing this!!! He knew they would do it, and that was why he programmed so hard and was not receptive to lowering the workload. He made it just hard enough to cheat that they could do it successfully if it was really, really neccessary, but it was too much trouble unless they were really hurting bad. This system has been confirmed to me by both Abajiev and Bulgarian lifters who lifted under him in Bulgaria. The lifters did not neccessarily like Abajiev. Some really hated him. But they had to make him happy in order to be lifters on the national team.

Now imagine such a system in place and working in the USA. I just dont see it, not without a major shift in our whole society and way of life.


Abajiev believed that when you are tired you lift less, this is how you naturally cycle training intensity. According to him, and I actually heard him explain this to me face to face, the body "knows" what it needs, if you really need to back off, your body will not allow you to lift a heavy weight. These are the workouts when you struggle with 70 or 80%. When the body is ready, and no longer needs rest, it "allows" you to lift heavy again. From what I have read, John Broz follows this guideline. It would be nice to have him chime in again here and clarify his beliefs... but if that doesnt happen this is my best knowledge of his belief, and it seems to mirror that of the coach of his coach. Others believe that you have a program all the variation.

Personally I use a mix of the two. We go for several weeks as hard as we can, and its fairly auto-regulated. Yeah some workouts are harder than others, some days have two workouts and some have one. But the kids are pushing as hard as they can whenever they are in the gym. And some workouts are better than others. Some days you see a PR snatch, some days you see a 200kg clean and jerker STRUGGLING to get 160 or 170kg overhead. Then we back off of the volume for a week. Usually by the end of the back off week the guys are feeling fairly good. We still lift heavy that week, just less volume.

But you know the body is fairly unpredictable. Sometimes PR lifts come when you dont expect it. Sometimes 17 or 18 days into really hard training when everyone is crying and moaning and hurting someone has an unexplainable great session and hits a PR. Who can explain that? Jon recently hit a 155kg snatch in competition with ONE rest day after 13 very hard training days in a row. His old competition PR was 150, his best in training was 152kg, done when he was fairly fresh.

How do you explain that with supercompensation theory? One light workout at the tail end of 13 days of misery and he magically supercompensated? When I was in grad school I thought I understood things pretty well. But another 10 years of coaching has cured me of that. Using all the science in the world, you can only predict things about halfway. Yeah with a set workout or competition at the end of a 2 week taper you are much, much, much more likely to produce a high result than with any one particular workout during a hard training cycle. But you have a lot more workouts during hard training cycle than at the end of tapers, and most of your PR's are gonna come while training hard. They come at odd times, mostly when you dont expect them, sometimes when you are at your most tired and hurting the worst.

Now, obviously I believe that it is worthwhile to back off the gas every now and then, otherwise I wouldnt do it. But if the body follows supercompensation theory all nice and neat... then how do you explain a kid squatting say 200kg while peaking and rested, then 3 weeks later after 3 weeks of pushing as hard as possible, with aching legs and feeling fried and almost numb he pops up a PR of 210kg??? Cause let me assure you, such things do happen!

Some days I think that the only thing I have learned in the last 20 years is that I definately dont know everything, lol. I just keep learning more and more things that i dont know. One thing I am fairly sure of though, is that hard work is rewarded, and that harder work is rewarded even more. That might in fact be the only cold hard fact that the last 20 years has taught me.



I dont think anyone that is currently involved in weightlifitng enough to have an idea of how current lifters are training thinks this. There are differences in opinion on HOW to get stronger, but of course we are all trying to get stronger. Gayle Hatch has his high level lifters squat only once a week, and he has some monsters, hell his 85kg (187lbs) kid matt bruce front squats around 550lbs, maybe more. When we were in Guatemala recently at thge Pan-Ams, it was scary how easy he was able to stand up with 500+lbs in training, he is definately stronger than the average international competitor. I recently coached Spencer Mormon at the Junior Worlds in Bulgaria... He is an 18 year old superheavy... he was front squatting around 600lbs when he was 16 years old! Different program, I think he squats 3 times a week. You all know about Pat Mendes... totally different program, and a HUGE squat. He squats like 12 times a week. The lifters that I coach use a variety of programs, all the way from 2 times per week with higher reps to 9 times per week with mostly singles.

So, there are diffrences in opinion on the best way to get strong, sure, but believe me, we are all trying to get stronger!!!

I think this odd opinion, that somehow we dont want to be strong, comes from a couple of sources. One is just people who dont know what the hell they are talking about, thats a lot of it. The other comes from older lifters, usually the 60's era, who compare how we train now to how they trained. This is the more interesting source. Bud Charniga has an interesting series of articles about how and why we fell behind the Europeans in the 60's. I think a reasonable representation of his opinion is the following: We dominated in the 50's, and we assumed it was because of our training... it wasnt. It was because of Europe still recovering from WWII. We heavily relied on strength training, lots of slow lifts, even isometrics. When Europe recovered from WWII and started to put more and more rescources into sports, they caught us and passed. We didnt learn from them, even with report after report of how they were training... we stuck to the "American" model and fell further and further behind. We erroneously thought that our training was responsible for our past success, and were unwilling to change to more modern methods. What were the Europeans doing? For one simply training more, much more than we were, but another difference was that they were doing lots and lots of the competitive lifts, and not so much of the slow, or "strength" lifts. Even in the face of increasing evidence, we kept up with the idea that big muscles and a huge squat were the keys to becoming better at OL, and it didnt work.

We cant go back to the methods of the 50's. Look what they produced. Joe Dube was our last male world champion, his winning clean and jerk was 210kg in 1969. That wouldnt even get you into the top 20 at most recent world championships. Hell it wouldnt even win the JUNIOR worlds today! Tommy Kono is arguably our most successful lifter ever with world championships and Olympic gold medals, but look at his best snatch numbers. Today they are being approached by FEMALE lifters of the same or lighter weight classes.

I dont say this to take anything away from these two GREAT lifters, I am just saying that going backwards to training like they did cant be the answer.

Its very easy when you are looking into the arena while safely sitting in a spectator seat... Its very easy to find faults, to say well of course this is what they should do, what they should have done. It doesnt take a great mind to be a great Monday morning quarterback. But even the best of the Monday morning quarterbacks is not winning football games, and the armchair critics of US weightlifers are not doing anything to help.

In the USA we have a lot of different coaches and different lifters, and no one is holding a gun to anyones head to train a certain way. Therefore we have different people doing diffrent things. Sort of like the free enterprise system, whoever ends up doing it the best is gonna end up on top, and probably be copied by others. You see this happening already. Kyle Pierce has the current #1 lifter in the USA, Kendrick Farris. You see a lot of interest in his training program, and some other coaches copying it or parts of it. I had the most lifters of any single coach on both the Pan-Am team and the world team, 3 and 2 respectively, and the top ranked Junior lifter in the country... and I have coaches all the time ask me about our program and I know that some are copying it or parts of it. And this is good. If John Broz has lifters who are successful in making the world team then I am sure he will have a lot more people taking a closer look at what he is doing, me included!!!

This is what has made the USA into the country it is, everyone free to do what he wants, with the most rewards going to the most successful. Lots of people trying lots of different things, and the cream rising to the top.

Nothing ticks me off more than those who sit on the sidelines and criticise those of us who have worked and worked and sacrificed for this sport! I say to anyone who wants to criticise, get into the arena, lift or coach, DO something!!!! If you can produce, if you can beat me, then by God I will listen to you and I will probably copy you in order to do better myself. But to anyone who is just gonna sit at a computer and hover over their keyboard typing about how those of us who are actually in the fight dont know what we are doing, well to that guy I say, to hell with you!



I am not sure there really is a Russian "system" in place. They have quite a few different coaches, many of whom do different things. I got the training programs from several coaches and athletes from Russia at the Junior worlds in Bulgaria this year, and no two were the same.

But in general though, the following characterizes their training. They do most of their training based off of percentages of the competitive lifts, even their squat and front squat poundages seem to be usuallly based off their clean and jerk numbers. They vary volume and workload on a planned basis, with light or heavy weeks or months. They do a variety of exercises, various different pulls, lifts from different heights of boxes or from the hang, etc. As a group, they have very effecient technique, they are very well coached in this area. They use reps more than singles, seems much of their work is in the 2-5 rep range, with 2-3 being used most of the time for the competitive lifts or close variations, and 4-5 being used a lot of the time for strength stuff like squats and pulls. They dont go to maximum in training all that often.

I have talked to a few Russian coaches about the Bulgarian system, they have nothibg against it, in fact they think its great, they just think that it doesnt work for everyone and has a higher risk of injury than what they do.

As far as how my program compares... it is based off the Bulgarian ideas of going as heavy as you can most workouts, using mostly the competitive lifts and squats, and not using or rarely using percentages. But we do use some planning of volume, and do include assistance exercises sometimes. I feel like a week or two here and there where you change things a bit is helpful. I also feel like a planned week where you lower the volume is helpful.

I used to try to follow the Bulgarian system a lot closer than I do now. The final straw for me I guess was when Ivan Abajeiv himself said straight out that his program DID NOT WORK without drugs, and he didnt know why we were trying to follow it without drugs.

Now I dont think he was 100% right about that. He was just unable to get it to work with drug free athletes. But I think that with a little tweaking you can get on the right track.

On a slightly different note, I think that the inability of myself and maybe others to follow 100% the Bulgarian system or any other system has to do with the athletes we are coaching. Let me use Donny Shankle as an example. Donny is a good lifter. He hs snatched 173kg in training, one kilo over the American record in his weight class (105kg). He has clean and jerked 210kg. He has been coached by me most of his career, but did spend a while being coached by Abajiev. During this time he got a very inflamed hip, which severely affected his training. He made no improvements under Abajiev, i sure at least partly because of the hip. Abajiev told him straigt up that if they were in Bulgaria, he would just kick him out, that if he couldnt take the training he should just quit. Donny didnt quit, and in fact has recently made progresss in both competitive lifts... but we have to work around his hip. We have to modify his training quite a bit to keep his hip from getting too inflamed. So he personally cant do pure Bulgarian training... I guess if I had 2 more lifters just waiting around the corner with Donny's talent, I could just kick him to the curb and bring another guy in. But here in America we dont have that situation. We have to take the lifters that we have, weak points and all, and get them to do their best, we have to fit the program to the lifter. I guess in places like Bulgaria in the 70's and 80's they didnt have to do that. If the program didnt work for one lifter, they didnt bother changing the program, they changed lifters.

And I know that at this point im not really answering the original question, but instead rambling a little, but oh well. The thing is, I think the above example is why here in America, we will NEVER have the type of na;tional system that they evidently had in Bulgaria. Each individual coach has to fit what he is doing to his particular situation. Some are coaching guys who go to school and also play football and therefore obviously cant do an ideal weightlifting program. A guy might find himself working around a variety of different schedules and time constraints. You see guys with different mindsets. A guy like Caleb Ward, who I have coached for 7 years and now holds the Junior American Record in the clean and jerk at 203kg doesnt like to miss. It really affects him mentally. He is also oddly injury prone if he starts to miss weights. Should I tell him to get lost because he cant train exactly like I think is ideal, push to 100% misses be damned at every session and miss 30 snatches a week. No, I approach his training in a certain way because I know that for Caleb mentally, a week where he misses more than 2-3 snatches all week is going to have a negative affect on his mindset. This is completely different than a guy like Donny who doesnt care about missing at all. He would rather miss a new personal record snatch of 175kg ten times in a row than make 10 beautiful lifts with 165kg, a weight he has made many times. Donny doesnt care at all about anything less than his best... left to his own devices, he would rather just do a couple of warmups, put a Personal record on the bar and start trying. And 20 attempts later, he would either have a new personal record or a bunch of misses. Now I dontg believe in leaving eigher type of atghlete to their own devices. Sometimes I have to push Caleb out of his comfort zone, and often I have to convince donny to tone it down a bit, but I simply cant coach either of them exactly the same.

Then you have a guy like Jon North. He recently snatched 155kg as a 94kg lifter. He runs on pure emotion. More than any other lifter that I have ever coached, except maybe Trey Goodwin, with Jon you have to be ready to run with it when is is "on" and back it off when he is not.

I just described 3 of the top 8 lifters in the USA today, each with a totally different mental approach to lifting, each with different physical limitations that affect the training that they can or cannot do, etc. This is why I believe that training in the USA will never be exactly like anywhere else.

[spoon]

Lång och läsvärd text groda

[ceejay]

hans sista lyft ska bli hans öppningslyft i OS

[Tomas W]

Skoj att se att OS atleterna börjar komma i form. Fin fart på 60 lyftet.

[Leifallan]

Ursprungligen postat av spoon

Lång och läsvärd text groda

Instämmer till fullo! Speciellt de sista styckena:

I used to try to follow the Bulgarian system a lot closer than I do now. The final straw for me I guess was when Ivan Abajeiv himself said straight out that his program DID NOT WORK without drugs, and he didnt know why we were trying to follow it without drugs.

Now I dont think he was 100% right about that. He was just unable to get it to work with drug free athletes. But I think that with a little tweaking you can get on the right track.

On a slightly different note, I think that the inability of myself and maybe others to follow 100% the Bulgarian system or any other system has to do with the athletes we are coaching. Let me use Donny Shankle as an example. Donny is a good lifter. He hs snatched 173kg in training, one kilo over the American record in his weight class (105kg). He has clean and jerked 210kg. He has been coached by me most of his career, but did spend a while being coached by Abajiev. During this time he got a very inflamed hip, which severely affected his training. He made no improvements under Abajiev, i sure at least partly because of the hip. Abajiev told him straigt up that if they were in Bulgaria, he would just kick him out, that if he couldnt take the training he should just quit. Donny didnt quit, and in fact has recently made progresss in both competitive lifts... but we have to work around his hip. We have to modify his training quite a bit to keep his hip from getting too inflamed. So he personally cant do pure Bulgarian training... I guess if I had 2 more lifters just waiting around the corner with Donny's talent, I could just kick him to the curb and bring another guy in. But here in America we dont have that situation. We have to take the lifters that we have, weak points and all, and get them to do their best, we have to fit the program to the lifter. I guess in places like Bulgaria in the 70's and 80's they didnt have to do that. If the program didnt work for one lifter, they didnt bother changing the program, they changed lifters.

And I know that at this point im not really answering the original question, but instead rambling a little, but oh well. The thing is, I think the above example is why here in America, we will NEVER have the type of na;tional system that they evidently had in Bulgaria. Each individual coach has to fit what he is doing to his particular situation. Some are coaching guys who go to school and also play football and therefore obviously cant do an ideal weightlifting program. A guy might find himself working around a variety of different schedules and time constraints. You see guys with different mindsets. A guy like Caleb Ward, who I have coached for 7 years and now holds the Junior American Record in the clean and jerk at 203kg doesnt like to miss. It really affects him mentally. He is also oddly injury prone if he starts to miss weights. Should I tell him to get lost because he cant train exactly like I think is ideal, push to 100% misses be damned at every session and miss 30 snatches a week. No, I approach his training in a certain way because I know that for Caleb mentally, a week where he misses more than 2-3 snatches all week is going to have a negative affect on his mindset. This is completely different than a guy like Donny who doesnt care about missing at all. He would rather miss a new personal record snatch of 175kg ten times in a row than make 10 beautiful lifts with 165kg, a weight he has made many times. Donny doesnt care at all about anything less than his best... left to his own devices, he would rather just do a couple of warmups, put a Personal record on the bar and start trying. And 20 attempts later, he would either have a new personal record or a bunch of misses. Now I dontg believe in leaving eigher type of atghlete to their own devices. Sometimes I have to push Caleb out of his comfort zone, and often I have to convince donny to tone it down a bit, but I simply cant coach either of them exactly the same.

Then you have a guy like Jon North. He recently snatched 155kg as a 94kg lifter. He runs on pure emotion. More than any other lifter that I have ever coached, except maybe Trey Goodwin, with Jon you have to be ready to run with it when is is "on" and back it off when he is not.

I just described 3 of the top 8 lifters in the USA today, each with a totally different mental approach to lifting, each with different physical limitations that affect the training that they can or cannot do, etc. This is why I believe that training in the USA will never be exactly like anywhere else.

[Leifallan]

[groda]

Man klickar på en youtubelänk och sen har man helt plötsligt suttit och kollat på tyngdlyftningsfilmer alldeles för länge.

[ceejay]

Hysen!!!

[tobake75]

Ursprungligen postat av ceejay

Hysen!!!

Om jag inte är helt fel ute så är det ett tangerat världrekord 378kg totalt. Undrar vad han befinner sig på för kroppsvikt för tillfället. Tror ändå att han kommer få det svårt mot kineserna.

Edit. Såg just att de hade kommenterat klippet och angett hans vikt till 83kg.

[ceejay]

Svårt får han nog, men hysen är bara 19 år trots allt. Hans öppningslyft i ryck har sagts bli 160kg.
Han är enligt dom rätt nära tävlingsvikten nu, han flög över till europa igår.

[tobake75]

Hur som helst, det blir ett jäkla spännande OS att titta på. Jag är dock mest laddad för slaget mellan Akkaev och Klokov. På min födelsedag dessutom. Det blir Epic!!