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panzerpig
2012-01-23, 19:18
Denna kan säkert intressera någon:
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2012/01/overcoming-sticking-points-in-bench.html

Overcoming Sticking Points in the Bench Press
by Don Pfeiffer (1981)


The occurrence of a sticking point during the performance of the bench press is common to all individuals who perform this exercise. In order to maximize your bench pressing ability you must attempt to overcome sticking points as much as possible. Bear in mind, however, that you can never totally eliminate a sticking point. What you can do is move the sticking point upwards, and increase the amount of weight that you can handle.

The first step in overcoming a sticking point -- moving it upwards -- is to accurately determine where the sticking point occurs. This is where most lifters make their first mistake. Many trainees determine their sticking point by analyzing unsuccessful lifts. The point where they fail is, they assume, where the sticking point occurs. This, however, is not necessarily so. The proper way to determine where the sticking point occurs is to observe successful bench presses. The best method is to perform several sets of bench presses with as weight that will allow from 3-6 reps. Your only concern should be the successful completion of the lift, while someone watches you perform the lift attempting to determine the sticking point. The area where the bar's ascent slows down of momentarily comes to a halt is where the sticking point occurs.

Now that the sticking point has been determined we must attempt to strengthen that area of the lift. This can be accomplished in two ways:

1.) You can isolate the specific range of movement where the sticking point occurs, or

2.) You can isolate the specific muscles that are dominant when the sticking point occurs.

The point of either method is to strengthen the muscles which in turn will push the sticking point upwards.

To begin, let's examine how we can isolate the specific range of motion where the sticking point occurs. We will discuss five different, yet effective methods. They are:

isometrics
isometronics
pauses
negative pauses
isometric negatives

The first method, isometrics, is a static form of exercise. That is, there is no movement; the muscle is exercised only at one point along its range of motion. Supposing that your sticking point occurs during the middle range of the bench press. Here is how isometrics would apply. Using a power rack, set the pins at the point where the sticking point is most pronounced. Then, assume the exact position your would be in for a full-range bench at that part of the lift, and take an empty exercise bar and press it against the pins gradually increasing pressure until you are exerting a maximum effort. Hold at maximum force for about six seconds, without changing your body position. Again, it is important that you remain in the same position as you would be if this were a full-range bench press. To insure that you work the sticking point along its entire range you could place the pins at high, middle, and low parts of the sticking point and work each area separately.

Isometronics, on the other hand, are short range movements with an isometric hold at the end. Assuming once again that your sticking point occurs during the middle portion of the lift, here's how isometronics would be used. You will again need the use of a power rack, but this time position two sets of pins: one pair at the bottom of your sticking point and one pair at the top of your sticking point. Start with the bar on the bottom pins and press upward until it touches the upper pins. Continue this for 3-5 reps. On the last rep press the bar against the upper pins as hard as you can and hold it for approximately six seconds. Here again, a position identical to that used in your full-range bench press is mandatory. The point is not to see how much weight you can lift by shifting position. This is assistance work, used to strengthen your weaknesses and thereby increase the lift. Define fun for yourself and find a way to experience it while training.

Pauses simply involve taking a moderate weight and lowering it to a point about two inches below your sticking point, holding the weight at that position for several seconds and then pressing the weight upwards. This can be continued for reps.

Negative pauses, on the other hand, require the use of very heavy weights. Starting from a point of full contraction -- lockout position -- lower the weight very slowly. When you reach the sticking point, stop the weight and attempt to hold it there for as long as possible. Use spotters.

Isometric negatives are very similar to negative pauses. The main difference being that you start at the sticking point. You will need at least two spotters to hand you the weight at the place where your sticking point occurs. At this point hold the resistance at that position for as long as possible. When the weight begins to drop don't give up -- continue to delay the bar's descent for as long as possible. Be sure your spotters are alert and ready to catch the bar and help you up with it.

Let's now examine how we can isolate the specific muscles that are involved when the sticking point occurs. First of all, we must consider the relationship of your elbows to your torso. If your elbows are at a 45-degree angle to your torso the initial surge of strength is supplied by the deltoids. After about 4-5 inches the pectorals and triceps take over with the triceps supplying the final strength needed for lockout.

This style of benching is characterized by a narrow bench press grip. As the angle of your elbows to your torso increases, less emphasis is placed on your deltoids. At a 90-degree angle, which means your elbows are perpendicular to your torso and which is characterized by a wide grip, most of the stress is placed on the chest from the beginning of the movement. Towards the end of the movement triceps strength becomes very important.

Sticking points will normally occur at a transitional stage where one muscle group takes over from another. Thus, if you keep your elbows at about 45 degrees to your body the sequence of power is: deltoids - chest - triceps, whereas if your keep your elbows at a 90-degree angle to your torso the sequence is: chest - triceps.

When you have determined at which transitional stage the sticking point occurs you can then use the appropriate assistance exercise to strengthen that muscle. Listed below are my picks for best assistance exercises for the bench press, for the three muscle groups:

Deltoids: front deltoid raise performed either standing or lying.

Chest: dumbbell flyes, incline presses.

Triceps: lying triceps extensions, dips.

With regard to the shoulders, the best exercise is the lying deltoid raise. If you are unfamiliar with this exercise here's how it is performed. Assuming your normal bench press position start with the barbell over your head, then slowly lower it until it touches your lower body, the raise the bar back over your head. At all times keep your arms straight.

To briefly summarize, sticking points can be attacked in two different ways. You can isolate the specific muscle group involved in the sticking point, or you can work the muscles along the area where the sticking point occurs. Both methods are effective, and for maximum results you should use both.

Damien Thorne
2012-01-23, 21:22
Tack :bow:

Har en stickingpoint 5cm från bröstet. Kan säkert trycka upp och hålla vikten där i 10sekunder utan att stången far upp. Irriterande.

Ska läsa artikeln nu :D

Anders The Peak
2012-01-23, 21:38
Tack :bow:

Har en stickingpoint 5cm från bröstet. Kan säkert trycka upp och hålla vikten där i 10sekunder utan att stången far upp. Irriterande.

Ska läsa artikeln nu :D

Triceps... Smalbänka/klossbänka så släpper det.

Damien Thorne
2012-01-23, 21:56
Triceps... Smalbänka/klossbänka så släpper det.

Tack.

Var mycket länge sen jag körde nån av dom övningarna. Dags för comeback :D

Silencer
2012-01-23, 21:57
Om man har sticking point ganska högt upp, vad är det då som spökar?

Silencer
2012-01-23, 22:00
Triceps... Smalbänka/klossbänka så släpper det.

Bröstet jobbar väl mer ju tidigare i rörelsen man är? Dvs mer triceps på slutet?

Damien Thorne
2012-01-23, 22:10
Bröstet jobbar väl mer ju tidigare i rörelsen man är? Dvs mer triceps på slutet?

Bra. Då slipper jag göra tricepscomeback än :D
Får räcka med bänkpress och axelpress som vanligt ett tag till.

Hittde en intressant artikel om Sticking Points på T-Nation

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/sticking_point_therapy;jsessionid=97B4BC7811D0B571 05FBB2E0CA32622A-mcd01.hydra

"in the bench press the triceps are mostly responsible for the last half of the movement, while the chest will be most active in the later portion of the first half. The shoulders/lats participate the most in the first few inches of the initial thrust. By analyzing the position at which your sticking point occurs, you can establish which muscle is holding you back. Strengthening that muscle will thus help you reduce the severity of the weak zone."

Damien Thorne
2012-01-23, 22:14
If You Fail At The Bottom:

If you just can't get the weight off your chest (but would have no problem with the lockout), you need to become more explosive in the start of the movement. Dave Tate recommends you incorporate explosive pressing. This is described later in this article as "Dynamic Effort" training.

If You Can't Complete The Lockout:

If so, then your triceps strength (or lack of it) may limit your success. Use a combination of heavy close-grip presses and triceps extensions to build the necessary triceps strength.

panzerpig
2012-01-23, 22:15
finns en väldigt seriös bänkpressbok upplagd på ditillo:
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2010/07/bench-press-breakthroughs-in.html
del ett: http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2010/07/bench-press-part-one.html
http://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2010/07/bench-press-part-two.html
osv (kollar ni inlägg från juli 2010 och nån månad framåt så finns alla där).

analyser av lyft gjorda av bland annat Kaz och Bridges. Finns ett träningsprogram i sista delarna som verkar väldigt vettigt men som jag inte orkat sätta mig in i :)

panzerpig
2012-01-23, 22:17
det verkar vara denna: http://www.amazon.com/Bench-Press-More-Now-Breakthroughs/dp/B00071VVDW out of print.

Spartansk
2012-01-23, 22:46
You will again need the use of a power rack, but this time position two sets of pins: one pair at the bottom of your sticking point and one pair at the top of your sticking point. Start with the bar on the bottom pins and press upward until it touches the upper pins. Continue this for 3-5 reps. On the last rep press the bar against the upper pins as hard as you can and hold it for approximately six seconds. Here again, a position identical to that used in your full-range bench press is mandatory.

Det här fattade jag inte meningen med. Varför göra de där första repsen? Varför inte bara pressa mot de övre pinnarna direkt? Man har väl fortfarande bara en tom stång?

panzerpig
2012-01-23, 23:24
Det här fattade jag inte meningen med. Varför göra de där första repsen? Varför inte bara pressa mot de övre pinnarna direkt? Man har väl fortfarande bara en tom stång?

Jag fattar det som att man ska ha vikt på stången.

Har aldrig stött på isometronics förut. Antar att det blir skillnad om man kör rörelsen och slutar med en isometric hold än om man bara kör en isometric hold?
hittade denna sida: http://strengthandphysique.blogspot.com/2007/10/isometronics.html

Silencer
2012-01-24, 00:16
Ja, mina triceps är helt åt helvete bakom mina bröst. Det är alltid upp mot utlåsningen det börjar faila. Har alltid haft dåliga armar så det är kanske logiskt.

mpersson
2012-01-24, 12:57
Triceps... Smalbänka/klossbänka så släpper det.

Vrf skulle triceps träning hjälpa en stickingpoint som är i det bröst/axel moderata partiet?

Om du tänker att han ska köra smalbänk istället för vanligt så flyttar han upp stickingpointen men kringgår problemet. Hur tänkte du?

Silveta
2012-01-24, 13:23
Intressant artikel, har en rejäl stickingpoint precis över bröstet, gissningsvis i slutet av delts arbetsfas och början av bröstet. Får bli att jobba lite explosivitet samt mer delts antar jag.

Pernam
2012-01-24, 13:40
Åhå, se där. Men det ser ut att stämma, jag har usliga axlar och bänkar ännu usligare. Men om jag bara får stången att röra sig är det som inga problem, sällan att jag fastnar någon annanstans än i själva starten. Så om jag tolkar det rätt så ska jag fixa axlarna först och främst, och då är jag ju redan på rätt spår.
Alternativt är jag helt enkelt för svag och oduglig överlag. *jorgen*

Silveta
2012-01-24, 13:49
Åhå, se där. Men det ser ut att stämma, jag har usliga axlar och bänkar ännu usligare. Men om jag bara får stången att röra sig är det som inga problem, sällan att jag fastnar någon annanstans än i själva starten. Så om jag tolkar det rätt så ska jag fixa axlarna först och främst, och då är jag ju redan på rätt spår.
Alternativt är jag helt enkelt för svag och oduglig överlag. *jorgen*

orangitanger har väl å andra sidan väldigt långa armar som är icke opti i bänk no?

Pernam
2012-01-24, 14:01
orangitanger har väl å andra sidan väldigt långa armar som är icke opti i bänk no?

Så är också fallet, men det är helvetes svårt att göra något åt. Så därför tänker jag fantisera om starka, fungerande axlar som kommer att ge mig en mäktig bänk.