Protein- och kolhydratfördelning

[Jax]

Är det någon skillnad i fördelning av proteiner och kolhydrater i efterträningsdrinken beroende på aktivitet? Om det är det så undrar jag hur jag bör fördela det, om jag främst är ute efter att ta drinken för att snabba på återhämtningen så mycket som möjligt. Hur många gram protein och hur många gram kolhydrater. Jag inser att det inte går att säga exakt, men ungefär hur mycket jag minst bör ta.

De olika typerna av träningspass jag undrar över är ungefär:
1. ca 1-1,5 timmes styrketräning
2. ca 40 minuter snabb löpning
3. ca 1 timmes ganska snabb löpning
4. ca 2 timmar ganska lugn löpning
5. ca 4 timmar cykling

Och vad är smidigast att köpa för att blanda? Vassleprotein och druvsocker? Går det att köpa smaklöst vassleprotein?

Många frågor, hoppas att någon vänlig själ kan svara. :cheers:

[King Grub]

Ju mer kondition, desto mer kolhydrat, men det verkar inte vara några dramatiska skillnader. Det viktigaste är hur dygnet ser ut totalt. Proteinmängden behöver inte justeras något speciellt i efterträningsdrinken beroende på sträcka, förutsatt att det totala dagliga intaget är tillräckligt.

Appl Physiol. 2004 Apr;96(4):1331-40. Epub 2003. Higher dietary carbohydrate content during intensified running training results in better maintenance of performance and mood state.

The aim of this study was to determine whether consumption of a diet containing 8.5 g carbohydrate (CHO) x kg(-1) x day(-1) (high CHO; HCHO) compared with 5.4 g CHO x kg(-1) x day(-1) (control; Con) during a period of intensified training (IT) would result in better maintenance of physical performance and mood state. In a randomized cross-over design, seven trained runners [maximal O(2) uptake (Vo(2 max)) 64.7 +/- 2.6 ml x kg(-1) x min(-1)] performed two 11-day trials consuming either the Con or the HCHO diet. The last week of both trials consisted of IT. Performance was measured with a preloaded 8-km all-out run on the treadmill and 16-km all-out runs outdoors. Substrate utilization was measured using indirect calorimetry and continuous [U-(13)C]glucose infusion during 30 min of running at 58 and 77% Vo(2 max). Time to complete 8 km was negatively affected by the IT: time significantly increased by 61 +/- 23 and 155 +/- 38 s in the HCHO and Con trials, respectively. The 16-km times were significantly increased (by 8.2 +/- 2.1%) during the Con trial only. The Daily Analysis of Life Demands of Athletes questionnaire showed significant deterioration in mood states in both trials, whereas deterioration in global mood scores, as assessed with the Profile of Mood States, was more pronounced in the Con trial. Scores for fatigue were significantly higher in the Con compared with the HCHO trial. CHO oxidation decreased significantly from 1.7 +/- 0.2 to 1.2 +/- 0.2 g/min over the course of the Con trial, which was completely accounted for by a decrease in muscle glycogen oxidation. These findings indicate that an increase in dietary CHO content from 5.4 to 8.5 g CHO x kg(-1)x day(-1) (41 vs. 65% total energy intake, respectively) allowed better maintenance of physical performance and mood state over the course of training, thereby reducing the symptoms of overreaching.

Metabolism. 1996 Jul;45(7):915-21. Effects of carbohydrate (CHO) and fat supplementation on CHO metabolism during prolonged exercise.

The aim of the study was to examine carbohydrate (CHO) utilization in subjects receiving CHO or CHO + medium-chain triglycerides (MCT) supplements during 180 minutes of exercise at 50% maximal aerobic work rate ([Wmax] 57% maximal oxygen consumption [VO2max]). In a double-blind crossover design, nine trained athletes cycled four times. Subjects received a bolus of 4 mL x kg(-1) at the start and 2 mL x kg(-1) every 20 minutes during exercise of either a 150-g x L(-1) CHO solution (CHO trial), an equicaloric 70 energy% (en%) CHO-30 en% MCT suspension containing 29 g MCT (CHO + MCT trial), or a 150-g x L(-1) CHO (high-CHO [HCHO]) solution plus 20 g MCT (HCHO + MCT trial). A fourth trial consisted of a 13C-background control trial (CON). The four trials were randomized. Before and after the exercise bout, muscle biopsies were taken from the quadriceps muscle and muscle glycogen levels were determined. During exercise, breath samples were collected for estimation of exogenous and endogenous CHO oxidation. No significant differences were detected in glycogen breakdown among the trials (277 +/- 14 mmol x kg dry weight(-1) CHO, 249 +/- 20 CHO + MCT, and 240 +/- 18 HCHO + MCT) or in the respiratory exchange ratio during exercise. Mean exogenous CHO oxidation rates during the final hour of exercise were 0.79, 0.63, and 0.73 g x min(-1), respectively. No differences were observed between the trials regarding exogenous or endogenous CHO oxidation. Plasma free fatty acid (FFA) concentrations were elevated during exercise to a level of approximately 500 micromol x L(-1) and were comparable in all trials, whereas plasma ketone concentrations significantly increased after MCT ingestion as compared with the CHO trial. It is concluded that 29 g MCT co-ingested with CHO during 180 minutes of exercise does not influence CHO utilization or glycogen breakdown.

Int J Sports Med. 2003 Aug;24(6):452-8. Effect of carbohydrate feeding during recovery from prolonged running on muscle glycogen metabolism during subsequent exercise.

This study examined the effect of carbohydrate (CHO) intake during a 4 h recovery from prolonged running on muscle glycogen metabolism during subsequent exercise. On 2 occasions, 7 male subjects ran for 90 min at 70 % maximum oxygen uptake VO(2 max) on a motorized treadmill (R1) followed by a 4 h rest period (REC) and a 15 min run (R2) consisting of 5 min at 60 % and 10 min at 70 % VO(2 max) During REC, each subject ingested a total of 2.7 l of an isotonic solution containing either 50 g of CHO (LOW) or 175 g of CHO (HIGH). Biopsy samples were obtained from the vastus lateralis immediately after R1, REC and R2. During REC, a higher muscle glycogen resynthesis was observed in HIGH when compared with LOW trial (75 +/- 20 vs. 31 +/- 11 mmol x kg dry matter (dm) -1, respectively; p < 0.01). Muscle glycogen utilization during R2 was similar between the HIGH and LOW trials (39 +/- 10 vs. 46 +/- 11 mmol x kg dm -1, respectively). These results suggest that ingestion of a large amount of CHO at frequent intervals during recovery from exercise does not affect the rate of muscle glycogen utilization during subsequent exercise.

Int J Sports Med. 2000 Aug;21(6):444-52. Influence of different amounts of carbohydrate on endurance running capacity following short term recovery.


This study examined the effect of ingesting different amounts of carbohydrate (CHO) during 4 h recovery (REC) from prolonged running, on subsequent endurance running capacity when subjects were fully rehydrated. Nine men ran at 70% VO2max on a treadmill for 90 min (T1), followed by the REC and a run to exhaustion at the same speed (T2) on two occasions. Thirty minutes into REC, subjects ingested 50 g of CHO from a 6.5% CHO-electrolyte solution (CE) on both occasions. Thereafter, subjects ingested either the same CE or a placebo (PL) every 30 min for the first 3 h of REC. The total volume ingested was equal to 150% of the body mass lost during T1 which achieved rehydration during REC in both trials. Higher blood glucose and serum insulin concentrations (P<0.05) were observed during REC in the CE trial. Nevertheless, similar run times were achieved during T2 in both trials (CE: 56.9+/-8.1 min and PL: 65.4+/-7.8 min) (+/- S.E.M) (NS). Therefore, these results suggest that ingestion of 50 g of CHO immediately after prolonged exercise, and rehydration with a placebo solution, results in a similar endurance capacity, after a 4 h recovery, as ingesting 3 times more CHO (approximately 167 g CHO) over the same period.

Sports Med. 2003;33(2):117-44. Determinants of post-exercise glycogen synthesis during short-term recovery.

The pattern of muscle glycogen synthesis following glycogen-depleting exercise occurs in two phases. Initially, there is a period of rapid synthesis of muscle glycogen that does not require the presence of insulin and lasts about 30-60 minutes. This rapid phase of muscle glycogen synthesis is characterised by an exercise-induced translocation of glucose transporter carrier protein-4 to the cell surface, leading to an increased permeability of the muscle membrane to glucose. Following this rapid phase of glycogen synthesis, muscle glycogen synthesis occurs at a much slower rate and this phase can last for several hours. Both muscle contraction and insulin have been shown to increase the activity of glycogen synthase, the rate-limiting enzyme in glycogen synthesis. Furthermore, it has been shown that muscle glycogen concentration is a potent regulator of glycogen synthase. Low muscle glycogen concentrations following exercise are associated with an increased rate of glucose transport and an increased capacity to convert glucose into glycogen.The highest muscle glycogen synthesis rates have been reported when large amounts of carbohydrate (1.0-1.85 g/kg/h) are consumed immediately post-exercise and at 15-60 minute intervals thereafter, for up to 5 hours post-exercise. When carbohydrate ingestion is delayed by several hours, this may lead to ~50% lower rates of muscle glycogen synthesis. The addition of certain amino acids and/or proteins to a carbohydrate supplement can increase muscle glycogen synthesis rates, most probably because of an enhanced insulin response. However, when carbohydrate intake is high (> or =1.2 g/kg/h) and provided at regular intervals, a further increase in insulin concentrations by additional supplementation of protein and/or amino acids does not further increase the rate of muscle glycogen synthesis. Thus, when carbohydrate intake is insufficient (<1.2 g/kg/h), the addition of certain amino acids and/or proteins may be beneficial for muscle glycogen synthesis. Furthermore, ingestion of insulinotropic protein and/or amino acid mixtures might stimulate post-exercise net muscle protein anabolism. Suggestions have been made that carbohydrate availability is the main limiting factor for glycogen synthesis.

Can J Appl Physiol. 2001;26 Suppl:S236-45. Dietary strategies to promote glycogen synthesis after exercise.

Muscle glycogen is an essential fuel for prolonged intense exercise, and therefore it is important that the glycogen stores be copious for competition and strenuous training regimens. While early research focused on means of increasing the muscle glycogen stores in preparation for competition and its day-to-day replenishment, recent research has focused on the most effective means of promoting its replenishment during the early hours of recovery. It has been observed that muscle glycogen synthesis is twice as rapid if carbohydrate is consumed immediately after exercise as opposed to waiting several hours, and that a rapid rate of synthesis can be maintained if carbohydrate is consumed on a regular basis. For example, supplementing at 30-min intervals at a rate of 1.2 to 1.5 g CHO x kg(-1) body wt x h(-1) appears to maximize synthesis for a period of 4- to 5-h post exercise. If a lighter carbohydrate supplement is desired, however, glycogen synthesis can be enhanced with the addition of protein and certain amino acids. Furthermore, the combination of carbohydrate and protein has the added benefit of stimulating amino acid transport, protein synthesis and muscle tissue repair. Research suggests that aerobic performance following recovery is related to the degree of muscle glycogen replenishment.

[Jax]

Tack för ett snabbt svar Grub, du är en klippa.
Och grattis förresten!

[King Grub]

Vassleprotein och druvsocker? Går det att köpa smaklöst vassleprotein?

1. Ja.

2. Ja. I alla fall "neutralt".

[King Grub]

Tack för ett snabbt svar Grub, där är en klippa.
Och grattis förresten!

Tack! :cheers:

[King Grub]

Vad gäller glykogeninlagringen har proteinet ingen betydelse. Naturligtvis fyller dock protein andra funktioner, så spola inte ner det! ;)

J Appl Physiol. 2000 May;88(5):1631-6. Muscle glycogen resynthesis during recovery from cycle exercise: no effect of additional protein ingestion.

In the present study, we have investigated the effect of carbohydrate and protein hydrolysate ingestion on muscle glycogen resynthesis during 4 h of recovery from intense cycle exercise. Five volunteers were studied during recovery while they ingested, immediately after exercise, a 600-ml bolus and then every 15 min a 150-ml bolus containing 1) 1.67 g. kg body wt(-1). l(-1) of sucrose and 0.5 g. kg body wt(-1). l(-1) of a whey protein hydrolysate (CHO/protein), 2) 1.67 g. kg body wt(-1). l(-1) of sucrose (CHO), and 3) water. CHO/protein and CHO ingestion caused an increased arterial glucose concentration compared with water ingestion during 4 h of recovery. With CHO ingestion, glucose concentration was 1-1.5 mmol/l higher during the first hour of recovery compared with CHO/protein ingestion. Leg glucose uptake was initially 0.7 mmol/min with water ingestion and decreased gradually with no measurable glucose uptake observed at 3 h of recovery. Leg glucose uptake was rather constant at 0.9 mmol/min with CHO/protein and CHO ingestion, and insulin levels were stable at 70, 45, and 5 mU/l for CHO/protein, CHO, and water ingestion, respectively. Glycogen resynthesis rates were 52 +/- 7, 48 +/- 5, and 18 +/- 6 for the first 1.5 h of recovery and decreased to 30 +/- 6, 36 +/- 3, and 8 +/- 6 mmol. kg dry muscle(-1). h(-1) between 1.5 and 4 h for CHO/protein, CHO, and water ingestion, respectively. No differences could be observed between CHO/protein and CHO ingestion ingestion. It is concluded that coingestion of carbohydrate and protein, compared with ingestion of carbohydrate alone, did not increase leg glucose uptake or glycogen resynthesis rate further when carbohydrate was ingested in sufficient amounts every 15 min to induce an optimal rate of glycogen resynthesis.

[Jax]

Här spolas det inte ner några proteiner. Just nu dricker jag gainers efter träningpassen. Det är väl en sådär 15 gram protein per 100 gram pulver. Det tycker jag låter lite väl lite, måste äta en satans massa pulver för att komma upp i rätt mängd.

Funderar lite på hur viktigt det är att äta stora mängder kolhydrater direkt efter träning när jag ändå alltid äter riktig mat någorlunda snabbt efteråt. På tal om det så ska jag gå ner och laga kyckling med ris och en massa vispgrädde.

Har förövigt inte hunnit läsa rapporterna än. Det kom träning imellan. Men ska göra det så fort jag har ätit, så om någon av dem svarar på min fråga så behöver inte någon (läs Grub) bry sig om att svara.

[King Grub]

Men ska göra det så fort jag har ätit, så om någon av dem svarar på min fråga så behöver inte någon (läs Grub) bry sig om att svara.

Skönt. Då går jag och äter en portion prinsesstårta till i stället. :cool:

[Jax]

Det är du värd :bow: